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各位DFW朋友你们好：
我有个要好的朋友近期内不知为何迷上了安利，还像中毒了一样，四处鼓动其亲友参加。我看在眼里，急在心里。可每次苦劝他都不听。最好我在网上查了查（以前也查过，可是国内的网页上根本没有）那段时间恰逢google被百度摆了一道，怎么也上不去。后来等了许久google终于可以用了，我在网上（国外）查了一些资料，可惜是俺的E文不怎么样。是故，将这些资料放上，希望众大虾踊跃帮忙伸手，能翻多少就翻多少吧，或者一个翻一些也行，挑那些重要的地方翻。（我那个朋友下午会过来，届时我一定要重重的敲醒他）
再次感谢大家。
Amway: The Untold Story
Your Comments, Part 8
(3/96 - 4/96)
Here are some of the responses I've received to the information on this page. I've left them as is, except for a) removing the names to protect privacy, and b) reformatting them to fit the screen better.
This is a long file...I suggestdo
wnloading it to your computer and reading it off-line.
My thanks to everyone who took the time to contribute their opinions.
[NOTE: Some of these messages contain offensive language]
Dear Sir,
You know that all of these articles have one thing in common. ME!! I read quite a few, and never realized what was happening. Here I am, trying to build another business, yet profitable, and havn't made one cent in Amway. Will I quit?? Probably not. Because of Amway, my wife and I have been considering a chapter 13 bankruptucy.
We had been involved with Amway since Nov. of 1990. WE STILL HAVE NOT HIT 500PV, NEVER MIND 1000PV!!!!
Don't have the time to talk about MCI, and books, and tapes, and rallies, and.......
I have a closet full of it.
Thank you for your information. What I would like to know is some information about what they talk about that is so seceret, during Progressive Departure. I willdo
anything to find out, after the different levels are let out;
ie, the 1000 and below go, then
some secret information, then
the 4000 and below, seceret information, and so on.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW OF THIS INFORMATION.
Sidney,
Thanks for all the interesting stuff on your Amway Web site. I was conned to go to an introductionary meeting last night, on the premise that they had a business opportunity that would help my girlfriend sell her craft works, which she makes in her spare time (they got her phone number from a craft fair a few months ago).
I was immediately angry and skeptical, because of being invited there on false business, but I stayed to hear the presentation anyway - I had traveled for over an hour to get there so I had nothing to loose.
As a natural skeptic, I found it all quite entertaining, putting difficult questions to him, but he made a couple of claims which I would like to check out. He claimed that 70% of the Nissan cars sold in Japan, and 55% of the Fords sold in the US were sold through networking, implying that they were sold through the Amway network. He also quoted the Harvard Business School as saying that the Amway approach is the way that all business will go in the future.do
you think that these three organizations know that they are being used to sell a cult, anddo
you think they would be happy if they did ?
The organization he was with was called IBS. I came away with an introductionary pack, which the representative will pick up from me tomorrow. Thanks again for all the good ammunition you have provided me with. I'll have some fun tomorrow ;-)
Mr. Schwartz,
As an independent on-looker I stumbled on your site by some stroke of luck.
Could you please tell me why it seems you have it in for Amway and these two people, Yager and Britt. Were you an Amway distributor? Did these people hurt you? The reason I ask is that it appears your information, and I spent over an hour at your site, is riddled with personal attacks, opinoins from unsuccessful distributors, or the people who left to go with another company that is "Just like Amway only Better".
Sir, your credibility is in question if you cannot look objectively at an issue.
Regarding their right to create a business. I have reviewed the plan, fees and obligations as presented by a successful direct distributor who did a very complete and thorough job of explaining that with like EVERY business there is an 80/20 rule. They showed me an SA-4400 brochure from the Amway Corporation which states in plain, obvious type the average income from active distributors was $65. The direct distributor explained that the figure is arrived at by taking the national sales volume PAY OUT and dividing by the number of registered distributors. I have no problem with that.
Most people are just card caring memebers in what ever group they belong to and the rest are like you and seem to feed off attacking the successful people. As an accountant and consultant I found the presentation to be extremely straight forward, the explaination of other suggested materials to be helpful (but not obligatory), and the quality of the products and depth of product offerings to be second to NONE!
I am still at a loss as to why youdo
n't publish both sides of the issues. In addition, I attended a meeting of over 150 people to see the business plan. In the room seated next to me weredo
ctors, lawyers, and other prominant business people in the community. This is what convinced me that I was in a legitimate, ethical business. If Mr. Yager is selling me a tape to help my business for $5do
llars a week, I have the CHOICE to buy it or not buy it. The fact that those people would SUE someone because they bought these tapes is amazingly stupid on their part, not Yager for selling the tape.
Remember the business only costs $135 to start anyway. If I added $5 per week, that would only be an additional $250 - 300 for the year. Now let's add the cost of these quarterly seminars you like to attack. OK, a weekend every three months, maybe $400-500 for a couple if you drive. So we are talking about a business that has an investment of MAYBE $2500 TOTAL.
Please, Mr. Schwartz,do
n't insult my intelligence or that of these people who YOU are BRAINWASHING. As Amway states, the average Emerald direct distributor made $72,000 last year. Since they have no way of knowing the amount of tapes, books, etc. purchased, this $72,000 must be totally an AMWAY income based on the product-flow. I think that $2500 over the course of a year is a small investment for a $72,000 a year income.
Additionally and finally, what business can you get in in America or the world that has such a proven track record that has LESS costs. For goodness sake, the computer I am typing from costs twice that much just so I could start to consult. You have to be honest with the people, AMWAY is not the problem, Mr. Yager is not the problem, Mr. Britt is not the problem.
The problem is that you did not follow the business plan and want to place the blame on someone else
for notdo
ing the work. If Ido
n't make any money ever, which I am certain I will, the Amway business will still work and I won't damage my personal credibility by attacking successful people who did what I didn't yetdo
!!!!!!
ll Mr.Schwartz,
I must confess ido
agree with a lot of the replies to your site, i feel that you must be carrying some major grudge against Amway. Ido
think you should show some of the positive aspects as well. Your information is dated and there is no mention of people like Jim &
Nancydo
rnan (Network 21). I would Suggest that you talk to and add information from the poistive side of this business and of the people who's lives have changed for the better. Here in Australia my Diamond has given us hope and encouragement not just in building a business but in coping with some major problems in our life. I am a very successful business man and could retire tomorrow without any income from my Amway business but i choose todo
the Amway business because I can help people get a better life. I cannot give them money because thatdo
es not give self esteem but I can help them become successful in an Amway business and build a life style they can only ever dream about.
I am a unique in the Amway buiness because I tell people to look at "THE AMWAY BUSINESS" as a means of developing a life style. and then
I show them that all they have todo
is to change their shopping and shop from their own business. Nothing more than that, if they like the products share the expeience with some others and slowly buildup a network. Over a 10 year period anyone can find just 3 people who are interested enough to go to 21% THATS JUST 1 EVERY THREE YEARS! An Emerald income 10 yearsdo
wn the track is still a very good income, over and above what your JOB pays you. I ask you where is the cult in that? where are all the tapes, books and functions in that? It's the distributors choise! I currently average Aust$4000 per month and I have notdo
ne anything special except changed my shopping and shared the concept with others. No SCAM, No tricks, nothing but helping people generate a little more income by changing their shopping. GROW UP ALL OF YOU NON-AMWAY PEOPLE. Youdo
n't have to con,trick, by sly or be strange about Amway just accept itdo
es work. If youdo
it professionally and remain proud to be able to help others get a chance for a better life. YES! I am proud to be an Amway distributor just because I can help others... I hope you will wake up one day and realise that this is a business where people will actually help you without ever gaining one cent and still feel proud to call you friend as you grow to success. Everyone can succeed in this Business but youdo
need the right people to lead you.... Go and Join up be proud of what is and never be ashamed to say "I am an Amway Distributor" GO DIAMOND... You can... anyone can.... 10 Years?do
es it matter? Good Luck
Ido
n't believe alot of the things are actually factual, I believe they are here say. I have been an Amway distributor for eight years and have neverdo
ne anything with it except buy products, and the products are very good. Sure some people have a bad experience with Amway because of the person that sponsors them but I find it very difficult to believe that Rich DeVos and Jay VanAndel are crooks or cult leaders. I know that they believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and if that makes them a cult then
I want to be a part of it. The business is built on helping other people succeed and the more people you help the more successful you become. It is not a business for selfish prideful people who want to get rich quick it is for those people who want to develop their character and become better people. My experienc with my up-line is whatever I need whenever I need it He willdo
his best to help me even after eight years ofdo
ing nothing.
I started not to waste my time or money writing you, but I personally know more people this opportunity has helped than hurt. I imagine you think you're helping people. We think we are too. To each his own.
Boo hoo. World watch me cry.
If you choose to lose, that's o.k. No reason to blame someone else
for your lack of initiative or fear of failure. If you want something for nothing, you'll guess you will always get nothing. Being what and where you are is o.k., blaming it on someone else
--that's makes you the loser. Attacking winners----pitiful!
Your references---weak. I bet there are thousands of lawsuits filed everyday against upstanding citizens. Thatdo
esn't make them right. Lot's of losers are trying to make money without an investment---in time or money.
But you wouldn't know anything about that now would you?
Later days. :-(
Mr. Schwartz:
It is a shame you did not stick with Amway instead of deciding to attack it. I believe you would have been very successful, most likely making well into the six figures by now. You have a strong talent for taking a large amount of information, separating out what supports your chosen position and whatdo
es not, and presenting your selections in a manner that appears, at least on the surface, to be very rational and open. That's not very different from what the people you are pointing your finger at aredo
ing.
I have some knowledge of your brand of advocacy. As a practicing lawyer specializing in appellate work, that is essentially what Ido
on behalf of my client, a large municipality in California. So it is not at all difficult for me to recognize exactly what you havedo
ne in putting together your page. Since I havedo
ne a great deal of research into Amway--and yes, chose to sign up as a distributor--it is easy for me to see your selective presentation of materials for what it is: advocacy of your chosen position rathan than an objective overview of the various opinions held by the people in and out of Amay. You, no more than the distributors and diamonds you condemn,do
not want your audience to see either the real truth or your slight of hand.
I hope you enjoy your little venture, which I would personally rename Sour Grapes Page--what your local malcontentdo
esn't know or won't tell you. I, meanwhile, will continue to collect my monthly checks from my sponsor, my retail profits, and my standing order tapes which I buy because I truly enjoy them and not because my upline makes me (in fact, none of my upline commented in the slightest when I chose not to be on standing order for the first four months I was in, because I wanted to build my profits up higher before dedicating funds to too many business materials). Maybe we will meet someday if one of the completely paid-for vacations Amway sends its distributors on happens to visit the town in which you are sitting in front of your computer.
Enjoy your negativity and unhappiness--it's probably all you will ever have in this life.
Dear Sidney,
Yours was a fascinating web page. I am an Amway distributor and I feel fortunate that I have not encountered the horrors youdo
cument. I have always wondered how people could go bankrupt in Amway and your site provided the answer. I am in the Britt organization and I am not yet a "big pin" and although tapes and books are recommended, no one has told me they will not support me if Ido
not purchase "tools" Ido
n't know when this started but in January this year, the standing order tape contained a form whereby you could terminate participation in the program. There is also a buyback of unopened tapes (100% for 90 days I believe) and a partial buyback of opened tapes (Ido
not know the percentages) I am not surprised that most peopledo
not succeed in Amway but really is that different from any other venture? How many aspiring actor and actresses become Sharon Stone or Arnold? How many high school atheletes become pros? How many pre med students go on to become physicians? The people who have succeeded in Amway are not "better" than those who failed just as Michael Jordan is not better than the average non professional basketball player. They probably worked smarter and harder than those who were unsuccessful.
There is never a justification for dishonesty, and those you quote who have advocated dishonest practices are to be condemned. I think Amway represents a great opportunity;
itdo
es not offer a guarantee.
Sid
my wife and i have been amway dist. for over 7, thats right SEVEN long hard years we are making anywhere from $900 to $1300 a month extra. we could be making a lot more but we have only been plugged into the system enough and have been consistent enought to produce the 9 to 1300do
llar a month range. what youdo
nt seem to understand the this amway opportunity is just that, an opportunity. youdo
nt get something for nothing. is there money made on the tapes,books, &
functions,sure there is, so what. have you ever been to any business convention seminar,etc. that it wasnt? your in busi. for yourself, show me another busi. thatdo
esnt require an investment, thatdo
esnt require you to purchase some tools. as for amway being a cult, get real, cult peopledo
what they are told. if you want something for nothing then
keep buying those lotto tickets, that right, bet your future on that. keep working for the other guy and see where you get. yes, amway is BRAIN WASHING, the only difference is that i and many other people(just the ones that really want more out of life, and not just money) choose to be brain washed in a positive way. my friend you and many of your angry x-amway people and those vast amount of people that have never been around a possitive atmosphere are just as surley being BRAIN WASHED but in a negative way. its all a matter of choice! every one that i personely know that have no JOB, have money in the bank, have no debt, live a life style that others can only dream (ha ho, i used the DREAM word)havedo
ne it though the amway opportuntiy and yes the system (tapes,books,functions,use the products, &
show the plan). any- where from 23 years of age and older. was it easy, heck no, thats why you and your followers(cult?)havent been able to grasp what is really going on. yes, i know that amway and the system isnt perfect, and there are dist. who mislead others anddo
all sorts of wrong things, but show me something this large where youdo
nt have a few bad apples. i am convienced that if a person really checks this thing out and MAINTAINS,as much as possable, a positive attitude, has a DREAM, plugs into the SYSTEM, and is consistent and persestant, will see the truth. there will alway be those who wont, that is one reason why at age 65 only 3% of the people in this country will be broke;
dependent on family, government or charity, or still working. just keepdo
ing what everone else
isdo
ing. as for me I will CHOOSE to keepdo
ing the very things that you and your people arent willing todo
because I know the truth and the truth will set you free. i have many many tapes and books that i have invested in, i have invested in many seminars and rallys and functions. i am still not where i want to be but without the system and my investment of time and money i certainly wouldnt even be knowing where i am going let alone knowing how to get there. no easy is not an option. THANK GOD.
I just submitted a letter to the orlando sentinel concerning the p.r. damagedo
ne by individuals to the mcdonalds corporation. The letter, which was published last monday the 8th, spoke of the ability for just anyone who has a chip on their sholder, free-time and extra money to fritter away on an internet homepage cando
serious damage to corporate reputations. The beauty of the net is that maybe people will learn todo
their own research and begin
to think for themselves and stop taking the opinion of indiviuals with little or no experience. I'm glad to see someone with an opposite view of amway from mine. Welcome to america. But I would be remiss if I said that I was not at least frustrated with your perspective. My experience in 2.5 years has been drastically different from the negative, cynical, views that I occasionaly find on the net. I guess it boilsdo
wn to what someone is looking for when they go looking. Best of luck to ya.
Just want to say that I have enjoyed your site and found it to be very informative and enlightening, especially with respect to the Yager tools situation. I have been in Amway for a year and watched this tools thing and have concluded that it is abusive and a backhanded way of extorting money. But any way, I won't get started on my soapbox..I'm sure you have heard it all. My question relates to the note in the abstract re: tools wanted. I couldn't locate where it was talked about (or rather I got impatient with my modem) so I thought I would just ask. I have two "tool boxes" and a bunch of SOT's and videos I would love to get rid of. Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
I've watched my 36-yr-old daughter (who joined Amway 5 years ago) lose her mental and physical health and an excellent job pursuing the Amway dream. She is broke, in debt, separated from her husband, living with her mother in a tiny room with one entire wall filled with Amway tapes &
books. She is still a true believer---that riches and glories are just around the corner and that Amway is the ONLY way to make a living.
Is there anything an outsider cando
to help her see another point of view? We know the slogan, "don't let anyone steal your dream," which I guess means that one should stay in denial at all costs. For those of you that left, what was the turning point? Did the words of others ever make a difference? Should we just sit back and wait?
我有个要好的朋友近期内不知为何迷上了安利，还像中毒了一样，四处鼓动其亲友参加。我看在眼里，急在心里。可每次苦劝他都不听。最好我在网上查了查（以前也查过，可是国内的网页上根本没有）那段时间恰逢google被百度摆了一道，怎么也上不去。后来等了许久google终于可以用了，我在网上（国外）查了一些资料，可惜是俺的E文不怎么样。是故，将这些资料放上，希望众大虾踊跃帮忙伸手，能翻多少就翻多少吧，或者一个翻一些也行，挑那些重要的地方翻。（我那个朋友下午会过来，届时我一定要重重的敲醒他）
再次感谢大家。
Amway: The Untold Story
Your Comments, Part 8
(3/96 - 4/96)
Here are some of the responses I've received to the information on this page. I've left them as is, except for a) removing the names to protect privacy, and b) reformatting them to fit the screen better.
This is a long file...I suggestdo
wnloading it to your computer and reading it off-line.
My thanks to everyone who took the time to contribute their opinions.
[NOTE: Some of these messages contain offensive language]
Dear Sir,
You know that all of these articles have one thing in common. ME!! I read quite a few, and never realized what was happening. Here I am, trying to build another business, yet profitable, and havn't made one cent in Amway. Will I quit?? Probably not. Because of Amway, my wife and I have been considering a chapter 13 bankruptucy.
We had been involved with Amway since Nov. of 1990. WE STILL HAVE NOT HIT 500PV, NEVER MIND 1000PV!!!!
Don't have the time to talk about MCI, and books, and tapes, and rallies, and.......
I have a closet full of it.
Thank you for your information. What I would like to know is some information about what they talk about that is so seceret, during Progressive Departure. I willdo
anything to find out, after the different levels are let out;
ie, the 1000 and below go, then
some secret information, then
the 4000 and below, seceret information, and so on.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW OF THIS INFORMATION.
Sidney,
Thanks for all the interesting stuff on your Amway Web site. I was conned to go to an introductionary meeting last night, on the premise that they had a business opportunity that would help my girlfriend sell her craft works, which she makes in her spare time (they got her phone number from a craft fair a few months ago).
I was immediately angry and skeptical, because of being invited there on false business, but I stayed to hear the presentation anyway - I had traveled for over an hour to get there so I had nothing to loose.
As a natural skeptic, I found it all quite entertaining, putting difficult questions to him, but he made a couple of claims which I would like to check out. He claimed that 70% of the Nissan cars sold in Japan, and 55% of the Fords sold in the US were sold through networking, implying that they were sold through the Amway network. He also quoted the Harvard Business School as saying that the Amway approach is the way that all business will go in the future.do
you think that these three organizations know that they are being used to sell a cult, anddo
you think they would be happy if they did ?
The organization he was with was called IBS. I came away with an introductionary pack, which the representative will pick up from me tomorrow. Thanks again for all the good ammunition you have provided me with. I'll have some fun tomorrow ;-)
Mr. Schwartz,
As an independent on-looker I stumbled on your site by some stroke of luck.
Could you please tell me why it seems you have it in for Amway and these two people, Yager and Britt. Were you an Amway distributor? Did these people hurt you? The reason I ask is that it appears your information, and I spent over an hour at your site, is riddled with personal attacks, opinoins from unsuccessful distributors, or the people who left to go with another company that is "Just like Amway only Better".
Sir, your credibility is in question if you cannot look objectively at an issue.
Regarding their right to create a business. I have reviewed the plan, fees and obligations as presented by a successful direct distributor who did a very complete and thorough job of explaining that with like EVERY business there is an 80/20 rule. They showed me an SA-4400 brochure from the Amway Corporation which states in plain, obvious type the average income from active distributors was $65. The direct distributor explained that the figure is arrived at by taking the national sales volume PAY OUT and dividing by the number of registered distributors. I have no problem with that.
Most people are just card caring memebers in what ever group they belong to and the rest are like you and seem to feed off attacking the successful people. As an accountant and consultant I found the presentation to be extremely straight forward, the explaination of other suggested materials to be helpful (but not obligatory), and the quality of the products and depth of product offerings to be second to NONE!
I am still at a loss as to why youdo
n't publish both sides of the issues. In addition, I attended a meeting of over 150 people to see the business plan. In the room seated next to me weredo
ctors, lawyers, and other prominant business people in the community. This is what convinced me that I was in a legitimate, ethical business. If Mr. Yager is selling me a tape to help my business for $5do
llars a week, I have the CHOICE to buy it or not buy it. The fact that those people would SUE someone because they bought these tapes is amazingly stupid on their part, not Yager for selling the tape.
Remember the business only costs $135 to start anyway. If I added $5 per week, that would only be an additional $250 - 300 for the year. Now let's add the cost of these quarterly seminars you like to attack. OK, a weekend every three months, maybe $400-500 for a couple if you drive. So we are talking about a business that has an investment of MAYBE $2500 TOTAL.
Please, Mr. Schwartz,do
n't insult my intelligence or that of these people who YOU are BRAINWASHING. As Amway states, the average Emerald direct distributor made $72,000 last year. Since they have no way of knowing the amount of tapes, books, etc. purchased, this $72,000 must be totally an AMWAY income based on the product-flow. I think that $2500 over the course of a year is a small investment for a $72,000 a year income.
Additionally and finally, what business can you get in in America or the world that has such a proven track record that has LESS costs. For goodness sake, the computer I am typing from costs twice that much just so I could start to consult. You have to be honest with the people, AMWAY is not the problem, Mr. Yager is not the problem, Mr. Britt is not the problem.
The problem is that you did not follow the business plan and want to place the blame on someone else
for notdo
ing the work. If Ido
n't make any money ever, which I am certain I will, the Amway business will still work and I won't damage my personal credibility by attacking successful people who did what I didn't yetdo
!!!!!!
ll Mr.Schwartz,
I must confess ido
agree with a lot of the replies to your site, i feel that you must be carrying some major grudge against Amway. Ido
think you should show some of the positive aspects as well. Your information is dated and there is no mention of people like Jim &
Nancydo
rnan (Network 21). I would Suggest that you talk to and add information from the poistive side of this business and of the people who's lives have changed for the better. Here in Australia my Diamond has given us hope and encouragement not just in building a business but in coping with some major problems in our life. I am a very successful business man and could retire tomorrow without any income from my Amway business but i choose todo
the Amway business because I can help people get a better life. I cannot give them money because thatdo
es not give self esteem but I can help them become successful in an Amway business and build a life style they can only ever dream about.
I am a unique in the Amway buiness because I tell people to look at "THE AMWAY BUSINESS" as a means of developing a life style. and then
I show them that all they have todo
is to change their shopping and shop from their own business. Nothing more than that, if they like the products share the expeience with some others and slowly buildup a network. Over a 10 year period anyone can find just 3 people who are interested enough to go to 21% THATS JUST 1 EVERY THREE YEARS! An Emerald income 10 yearsdo
wn the track is still a very good income, over and above what your JOB pays you. I ask you where is the cult in that? where are all the tapes, books and functions in that? It's the distributors choise! I currently average Aust$4000 per month and I have notdo
ne anything special except changed my shopping and shared the concept with others. No SCAM, No tricks, nothing but helping people generate a little more income by changing their shopping. GROW UP ALL OF YOU NON-AMWAY PEOPLE. Youdo
n't have to con,trick, by sly or be strange about Amway just accept itdo
es work. If youdo
it professionally and remain proud to be able to help others get a chance for a better life. YES! I am proud to be an Amway distributor just because I can help others... I hope you will wake up one day and realise that this is a business where people will actually help you without ever gaining one cent and still feel proud to call you friend as you grow to success. Everyone can succeed in this Business but youdo
need the right people to lead you.... Go and Join up be proud of what is and never be ashamed to say "I am an Amway Distributor" GO DIAMOND... You can... anyone can.... 10 Years?do
es it matter? Good Luck
Ido
n't believe alot of the things are actually factual, I believe they are here say. I have been an Amway distributor for eight years and have neverdo
ne anything with it except buy products, and the products are very good. Sure some people have a bad experience with Amway because of the person that sponsors them but I find it very difficult to believe that Rich DeVos and Jay VanAndel are crooks or cult leaders. I know that they believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and if that makes them a cult then
I want to be a part of it. The business is built on helping other people succeed and the more people you help the more successful you become. It is not a business for selfish prideful people who want to get rich quick it is for those people who want to develop their character and become better people. My experienc with my up-line is whatever I need whenever I need it He willdo
his best to help me even after eight years ofdo
ing nothing.
I started not to waste my time or money writing you, but I personally know more people this opportunity has helped than hurt. I imagine you think you're helping people. We think we are too. To each his own.
Boo hoo. World watch me cry.
If you choose to lose, that's o.k. No reason to blame someone else
for your lack of initiative or fear of failure. If you want something for nothing, you'll guess you will always get nothing. Being what and where you are is o.k., blaming it on someone else
--that's makes you the loser. Attacking winners----pitiful!
Your references---weak. I bet there are thousands of lawsuits filed everyday against upstanding citizens. Thatdo
esn't make them right. Lot's of losers are trying to make money without an investment---in time or money.
But you wouldn't know anything about that now would you?
Later days. :-(
Mr. Schwartz:
It is a shame you did not stick with Amway instead of deciding to attack it. I believe you would have been very successful, most likely making well into the six figures by now. You have a strong talent for taking a large amount of information, separating out what supports your chosen position and whatdo
es not, and presenting your selections in a manner that appears, at least on the surface, to be very rational and open. That's not very different from what the people you are pointing your finger at aredo
ing.
I have some knowledge of your brand of advocacy. As a practicing lawyer specializing in appellate work, that is essentially what Ido
on behalf of my client, a large municipality in California. So it is not at all difficult for me to recognize exactly what you havedo
ne in putting together your page. Since I havedo
ne a great deal of research into Amway--and yes, chose to sign up as a distributor--it is easy for me to see your selective presentation of materials for what it is: advocacy of your chosen position rathan than an objective overview of the various opinions held by the people in and out of Amay. You, no more than the distributors and diamonds you condemn,do
not want your audience to see either the real truth or your slight of hand.
I hope you enjoy your little venture, which I would personally rename Sour Grapes Page--what your local malcontentdo
esn't know or won't tell you. I, meanwhile, will continue to collect my monthly checks from my sponsor, my retail profits, and my standing order tapes which I buy because I truly enjoy them and not because my upline makes me (in fact, none of my upline commented in the slightest when I chose not to be on standing order for the first four months I was in, because I wanted to build my profits up higher before dedicating funds to too many business materials). Maybe we will meet someday if one of the completely paid-for vacations Amway sends its distributors on happens to visit the town in which you are sitting in front of your computer.
Enjoy your negativity and unhappiness--it's probably all you will ever have in this life.
Dear Sidney,
Yours was a fascinating web page. I am an Amway distributor and I feel fortunate that I have not encountered the horrors youdo
cument. I have always wondered how people could go bankrupt in Amway and your site provided the answer. I am in the Britt organization and I am not yet a "big pin" and although tapes and books are recommended, no one has told me they will not support me if Ido
not purchase "tools" Ido
n't know when this started but in January this year, the standing order tape contained a form whereby you could terminate participation in the program. There is also a buyback of unopened tapes (100% for 90 days I believe) and a partial buyback of opened tapes (Ido
not know the percentages) I am not surprised that most peopledo
not succeed in Amway but really is that different from any other venture? How many aspiring actor and actresses become Sharon Stone or Arnold? How many high school atheletes become pros? How many pre med students go on to become physicians? The people who have succeeded in Amway are not "better" than those who failed just as Michael Jordan is not better than the average non professional basketball player. They probably worked smarter and harder than those who were unsuccessful.
There is never a justification for dishonesty, and those you quote who have advocated dishonest practices are to be condemned. I think Amway represents a great opportunity;
itdo
es not offer a guarantee.
Sid
my wife and i have been amway dist. for over 7, thats right SEVEN long hard years we are making anywhere from $900 to $1300 a month extra. we could be making a lot more but we have only been plugged into the system enough and have been consistent enought to produce the 9 to 1300do
llar a month range. what youdo
nt seem to understand the this amway opportunity is just that, an opportunity. youdo
nt get something for nothing. is there money made on the tapes,books, &
functions,sure there is, so what. have you ever been to any business convention seminar,etc. that it wasnt? your in busi. for yourself, show me another busi. thatdo
esnt require an investment, thatdo
esnt require you to purchase some tools. as for amway being a cult, get real, cult peopledo
what they are told. if you want something for nothing then
keep buying those lotto tickets, that right, bet your future on that. keep working for the other guy and see where you get. yes, amway is BRAIN WASHING, the only difference is that i and many other people(just the ones that really want more out of life, and not just money) choose to be brain washed in a positive way. my friend you and many of your angry x-amway people and those vast amount of people that have never been around a possitive atmosphere are just as surley being BRAIN WASHED but in a negative way. its all a matter of choice! every one that i personely know that have no JOB, have money in the bank, have no debt, live a life style that others can only dream (ha ho, i used the DREAM word)havedo
ne it though the amway opportuntiy and yes the system (tapes,books,functions,use the products, &
show the plan). any- where from 23 years of age and older. was it easy, heck no, thats why you and your followers(cult?)havent been able to grasp what is really going on. yes, i know that amway and the system isnt perfect, and there are dist. who mislead others anddo
all sorts of wrong things, but show me something this large where youdo
nt have a few bad apples. i am convienced that if a person really checks this thing out and MAINTAINS,as much as possable, a positive attitude, has a DREAM, plugs into the SYSTEM, and is consistent and persestant, will see the truth. there will alway be those who wont, that is one reason why at age 65 only 3% of the people in this country will be broke;
dependent on family, government or charity, or still working. just keepdo
ing what everone else
isdo
ing. as for me I will CHOOSE to keepdo
ing the very things that you and your people arent willing todo
because I know the truth and the truth will set you free. i have many many tapes and books that i have invested in, i have invested in many seminars and rallys and functions. i am still not where i want to be but without the system and my investment of time and money i certainly wouldnt even be knowing where i am going let alone knowing how to get there. no easy is not an option. THANK GOD.
I just submitted a letter to the orlando sentinel concerning the p.r. damagedo
ne by individuals to the mcdonalds corporation. The letter, which was published last monday the 8th, spoke of the ability for just anyone who has a chip on their sholder, free-time and extra money to fritter away on an internet homepage cando
serious damage to corporate reputations. The beauty of the net is that maybe people will learn todo
their own research and begin
to think for themselves and stop taking the opinion of indiviuals with little or no experience. I'm glad to see someone with an opposite view of amway from mine. Welcome to america. But I would be remiss if I said that I was not at least frustrated with your perspective. My experience in 2.5 years has been drastically different from the negative, cynical, views that I occasionaly find on the net. I guess it boilsdo
wn to what someone is looking for when they go looking. Best of luck to ya.
Just want to say that I have enjoyed your site and found it to be very informative and enlightening, especially with respect to the Yager tools situation. I have been in Amway for a year and watched this tools thing and have concluded that it is abusive and a backhanded way of extorting money. But any way, I won't get started on my soapbox..I'm sure you have heard it all. My question relates to the note in the abstract re: tools wanted. I couldn't locate where it was talked about (or rather I got impatient with my modem) so I thought I would just ask. I have two "tool boxes" and a bunch of SOT's and videos I would love to get rid of. Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
I've watched my 36-yr-old daughter (who joined Amway 5 years ago) lose her mental and physical health and an excellent job pursuing the Amway dream. She is broke, in debt, separated from her husband, living with her mother in a tiny room with one entire wall filled with Amway tapes &
books. She is still a true believer---that riches and glories are just around the corner and that Amway is the ONLY way to make a living.
Is there anything an outsider cando
to help her see another point of view? We know the slogan, "don't let anyone steal your dream," which I guess means that one should stay in denial at all costs. For those of you that left, what was the turning point? Did the words of others ever make a difference? Should we just sit back and wait?